Harmonizing Life's Groove: From Performer to Psychotherapist with Florence MacGregor

Episode 14. In this episode, we journey through the many inspired chapters of Florence MacGregor's life, from her professional career as a performer to her roles as a devoted mom, yoga instructor, groove facilitator, and now, a psychotherapist. Discover how Florence's transformative path led her through various stages, with groove dancing acting as a guiding light through moments of loss, self-discovery, and connection.

Florence's journey comes full circle as she now gives back to the Groove community by leading a free healing circle, offering solace and support to others on their paths to self-discovery and healing. Join us as we explore the harmonious dance of life, resilience, and the transformative potential of groove in this inspirational episode.

Links:
Florence MacGregor Website
Psychology Today Web Link
Patricia Albert Article on Dance Benefits

Groove:
World Groove Movement
BodyGroove

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Transcript

Lisa: 0:10

Welcome to the Happy Sweat Life podcast. My name is Lisa Rung, and today I am thrilled to be talking to Florence McGregor. She is a mom of two kids and a registered psychotherapist She has been part of the Groove Tribe since 2013, so we're gonna be talking about her journey with groove and how it fit in her life and influenced her life. And she's also hosts a free online circle. Healing circle for anyone who is part of the groove family. So that's the world groove or the body groove. So Florence, yeah. Could you please talk to us about your journey with Groove?

Florence: 0:56

Yes. Thank you so much for having me on, Lisa. I really appreciate this time with you.

Lisa: 1:00

Oh, you're welcome.

Florence: 1:01

So originally I, I was a classical performer. I was at the Stratford Festival for many years, and then I was invited to an international classical training program at Shakespeare's Globe. I had an extraordinary career as a classical performer. I was Christopher Plummer's first artistic apprentice mark Rylance at the, the globe was like my acting teacher, you know, it was a, just an extraordinary time. I came out of that experience and I worked with an extraordinary woman by the name of Paula Thompson, who is a movement specialist. She works with theater performers and dancers in the realm of psychology. and I worked with her. I got a bunch of grants and I worked with her at York University. Really on a master's level, figuring out the connection between the mind and the body and our nourishment, our self-care. From there, I got a job. At Humber College, the theater department there teaching, basically it was an integration class of voice movement and acting. It was a storytelling class. But in its crux, it was a health class for actors and we did a lot of. Kinetic work and going through our body's images and our memories, and we were creating shows from that. I met an extraordinarily beautiful man, an Argentinian man, and I fell in love and I had a couple kids and I was like, oh, this is it. And I just couldn't go back to acting. I was just like, oh, this is. This is my lead. I am my lead in my own life now, and I just fell madly in love with being a mom. And it was like, oh, and but I was like, okay, how do we do this? Like, how am I going to, you know, being a mom, it's a full-time job. But it's good to work part-time for your own sanity, and for, you know, feeding your kids and, supporting the family. So when I was pregnant with my second child, I had this extraordinary dream that I was going to be dancing with spiritual leaders and that I should get on the yoga floor right away. It was just like what I have to. Learn yoga and dance spiritually, what does that mean? And then, you know, that's why I was asking around and there just happened to be. Yoga certification course that was nine months long. it's like, right now, sign up now. And then after nine months, I, I graduated from, you know, to become a yoga instructor and I had my baby like the next day. It was crazy. And then like three months later, I got keys to this extraordinary, beautiful studio and I opened up the floor for a mom and baby. Community, like a yoga mom and baby yoga and I, I started to really understand what it meant to be in community with these extraordinary women. Then my mother died, so it's all like mother themed, you know, my mom died. I was very close to her. I come from a big family and she was like, The, the emotional connector to us all. She was an extraordinary woman. She was a great mom, a painter, a poet. She was a palliative care provider. She was a nurse, and it really rocked my soul. It just knocked me over. Knocked over my relationship and, you know, everything kind of fell apart in my soul. And I was like, just still dredging along and, you know, I, I, I did my best to keep it together. And then Dani Nobrega arrived in my dance studio. In the yoga studio in this, with this great. Dance fitness thing we thought at the time, you know, called Groove. And I was there and I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And Misty Tripoli came to the studio and did this extraordinary community dance event. And it was a small, relatively small studio, but it was packed. And then there was a training and I thought, okay, let's do the training. And my husband joined me for the training. and we started dancing together again, and it basically, you know, brought me through Grieving process with my mom and saved my marriage And it began the journey with the groove. I became a groove facilitator, and then I started teaching a family groove with my kids as they got older. Again, I had another dream that I was gonna dance like with ministers and spiritually. I was like, what is going on? And then I got a job, you know, I was asking around about this and telling some of my friends who were ministers at the time, and they were like, you know what? You should be working at the Toronto School of Theology. I was like, should I, what they were like, yeah, they need somebody to teach them text and integration work, embodied theology and, to get in there and, and to be, to help them with their sermons and all that stuff. And I was like really interested in that. So I applied for the job. I got the job at the Toronto School of Theology. Yeah. And this is an extraordinary program. It's multi-phase. So within the building itself at Emanuel College, there was a program for Christians, Buddhists, Muslims, indigenous a few Jews scattered here and there. at the time, they were kinda like, oh, I'm not sure about this. But they were, you know, they were there. So we were all there together and I just had an extraordinary time teaching. Dance and text and embodied life really to bring the text, to bring the word live in the body, to bring yourself to your community and what that really means, you know, and that that comes from a background of deep classical performance work, As I. So then about 2017, the College of Psychotherapists recognized spiritual care

Lisa: 7:47

Hm.

Florence: 7:48

as a as a form of therapy. They, it was recognized, they've been doing spiritual care. It's been in the hospitals a lot. This is, this is when you're in the hospital and somebody comes by to sit by your bedside and actually spend time with you, or pray with you. And spiritual care practitioners are from all faiths. So I jumped on the program. That was about five years ago, and I just recently graduated.

Lisa: 8:13

Congratulations.

Florence: 8:14

Thank you. During the pandemic Dani and I we're, you know, we've been friends for a long time because of our experience at that studio. And we decided to have an online Healing Circle group because, you know, with the pandemic everything became online suddenly. So once a month the Groove Tribe everyone's invited, it's completely free. And we are talking about our stories of healing and transformation. So that's, that's sort of a little bit about me. I'm just gonna pass the ball to you now and we'll go into some deeper things. But I'm curious about your experience too, what you think.

Lisa: 9:04

Well, first of all, I have to say, wow, wow, wow. Like what a story.

Florence: 9:08

It's my life. It's a great story. I'm the lead in my own life. Yeah.

Lisa: 9:11

Yes, I mean, an amazing journey from your success as a classical performer, I'm really, I'm really struck by how much you really followed your intuition, your connection to sort of divine guidance, you know, and how that led you to where you needed to be. Like that's very inspiring. I love that.

Florence: 9:33

Yeah, I think that's it's always been part of my life and my upbringing, kind of a, a spiritual curiosity and indeed Misty I. You know, she really was able to transform Misty Tripoli. Okay, for those who are listening, right? She is the the founder of the World Groove Movement. And her story particularly is it, you know, deeply embedded in a kind of transformational internal journey of self care and indeed spirituality, right? Being good to yourself, being good to your soul. So, you know, and that, and that comes specifically to women. If I just wanna talk about women for a minute. I know that we're in a general n neutral world right now. But just, just specifically as a woman myself I always found that the social systemic pressure that women face in the world with all these images that are bombarded to us on a daily basis, which really come from a consumeristic society that objectify the feminine, Right. And it's an impossible female perfection. It's impossible. And so, you know, as a society, women are faced on a daily basis to become the object of this crazy propaganda that worships a kind of consumerist consumption, right? But what this does internally and psychologically is it breaks down a very deep feminine instinct for self-care and nurturing the authentic self. And, you know, Misty Tripoli herself had to break down and disassemble and dismantle what it meant to be a fitness, you know, instructor. And her journey is really interesting and, she talks about this openly in public, that she was plagued by this impossible, perfect image of female beauty and conformity. And what she did is she had to heal herself from an eating disorder. And so what she did was she created this dance form that offered a kind of cathartic release from this internal suffering, because suffering is a pressure in some ways that we all need in order to change and to shift and transform. And the way to do that is to change your physiology. If you change your physiology, you change your life. And so by getting into the body in a very authentic way, Creative way. She was able to really provide her body with the kind of nourishment that the body needs in order to transform and change and just be okay. To live in the body with without judgment is an act of healing. It is the remedy. Right. It's like integrating new information. As you get older, if you're able to integrate new information within the body, your body changes. Your mind changes, and you grow. Instead of conforming to a system that has been there for generations, generations, you have to be a certain way and you have to act a certain way, and you have to look a certain way. You have to eat a certain way. You know, all these things. So if you can break all that down and, and dismantle that internally you there, there's such an extraordinary creative release, which is why, and maybe you can talk about this too, the idea that when you go to one of these groove classes, you, you experience this permission of freedom, this non-judgment, this place where we're dancing in community, but nobody's judging me. I can be completely authentically myself. You know, the groove method is based on two pillars of strength that we are united and we are unique. We're all doing the same thing on our feet, right? Like we're all, you know, dance, walking to the beat, but you're doing it your way and I'm doing at mine. So that kind of creative flow, that kind of groove Just kind of allows us all to be, to feel like we're literally nourishing ourselves in a way that women need, like women need to be in community you know, women need to chat. We're chatty. We talk about it, and then we talk about it some more. And then we talk about what we talked about. know. In fact, I'm gonna pass the ball and ask you, what do you think? Let's talk about it some more right? And so when we're dancing together, we're. Talking to each other with our bodies, which is in a safe space because we're taught on a societal level in so many different places that our body, we, we can physically talk, but we're objects of desire, you know? And that's just not true.

Lisa: 14:50

You are listening to the happy sweat life podcast. If you like what you're listening to, please subscribe and share it with your friends. If you have any questions, recommendations for dance based exercise you want to learn more about, or would like to be on the podcast with your own story, please feel free to email me at happy sweat life at gmail. com. That's H A P P Y S W E A T L I F E at gmail. com I love the, the sort of the history and the background with Misty's journey and then, really explaining what Groove can be for people. it is much deeper than just dancing and moving your body. I think about the comments on Body groove in particular Facebook page of people's shifts in awareness. You know, suddenly a light goes off, or they feel freer or, Yeah. All the changes beyond just the physical ones that happen for people is really amazing. I keep going back to a lot of the groove Truths that are spoken over and over again in class. You know, you can't get this wrong. No one cares what you look like. All of those things that invite the self-acceptance, I think are so valuable. And so, as you say, so healing to people.

Florence: 16:16

And it's so simple.

Lisa: 16:18

Yes,

Florence: 16:19

Oh, like the world is so complicated. Everything is so complicated, and in order to be, you know, accepted, you gotta be smart. I've got three degrees and whatsoever, but you know what? If you can just be in a simple process creatively, when you just give yourself permission to know deeply. In practice that you are not judging yourself and nobody else is either. It's extraordinary what opens up. And when we're provided with something very simple, we feel confident and then we can take more risks.

Lisa: 16:53

So true. Yes.

Florence: 16:54

So true. lots of people talk about the benefits of dance. There's one woman in particular Patricia Albert. She writes in this article, this article's been going around, it's called The Health Benefits of Dance, and what she writes is that dance helps the. The brain form new interconnections that work faster. So it's a mind body experience. It increases blood supply to the brain. It provides an outlet for releasing emotional expression, allows for creativity and allows for a deeper connective socialization. So when we're social, when we're socially regulating, especially after a pandemic

Lisa: 17:36

Mm-hmm. Yes.

Florence: 17:40

We're, we are in the act of healing. It's a, it's the remedy. It's a remedy. Social integration, social connection. The feeling of belonging. Yeah. And it's one thing to belong to ourselves. This is very important. And to be authentic in the body and to be in non-judgment, to live in a state of non-judgment. But when we can do that in a community, it in it literally and statistically increases our immune system. It helps us on a physical, on a physiological level to, you know, in increase our health.

Lisa: 18:24

I didn't know that, that, that's really fascinating.

Florence: 18:27

Yeah. Yeah. And you know, and the groove truths too provide a safety net for healing. So, you know, in the category of healing, you need a secure set of boundaries in order to feel safe enough to heal. Right. Sometimes, you know that, that feeling when you get sick and it's like, oh, finally I could take a nap,

Lisa: 18:49

right.

Florence: 18:49

We give ourselves permission right to heal because the body heals when it feels safe, when it's at rest, when it's at peace, when it's quiet, when it's still, which is why, you know, within the groove method, you have that wonderful 10 minute moment at the end where everybody's just lying on the ground breathing and that is a very instinctual. Process that Missy, you know, included in her dance form so that we could integrate this new information coming from our bodies.'cause we are constantly telling the story of our life through our body. And we deserve to feel safe. Like we've, like a woman needs to feel safe with her voice in the world, but we also need to feel safe in our bodies. And with, we need to feel safe in our bodies with each other. Otherwise we're holding and clamping and not breathing and then we get sick. Yeah. and this is the thing, you know, we have to have the experience. I. In order to apply it. That's one of the groove truths too. Nobody can do this for you, so, so be, you know, ha, have a sense of courage and risk and jump out to one of your groove classes out there in the world. They're everywhere in the world right now. And just experience it. And then, Then we'll see, because everybody seems to have the same, like what? Oh, it seems so simple. And then you're lying on the floor sobbing, like, what's going on? You know what's happened? So it's funny how everybody seems to have that experience, but it's very true.

Lisa: 20:38

Would you recommend a live class versus a Zoom class? What are your feelings on that?

Florence: 20:45

Yeah, it's, it's really about what, what you need right now. If you can find a, a class to be in person and you really want that, and you really need that, then go for it. If you find that it's better to be in your own home and the safety of your own home and to dance around your living room, and if that makes you feel, you know, Connected and safer, then go for that. I mean, it really does depend on what you need, but both options are available and there's retreats like they, the friends call it, you know, let's go to Jungle Dance Camp. like, let's go to, to Mexico, Costa Rica, the jungle, or you know, all over the world you can go to a retreat and it's basically eat, sleep. Dance, repeat, That's it. That's all we're doing. And it's so healthy for the body. You can't get it wrong.

Lisa: 21:42

That sounds wonderful.

Florence: 21:44

Yeah.

Lisa: 21:45

I, I guess I should mention too, I mean, the other option, of course is to, to stream the body groove on demand classes.

Florence: 21:53

Yes, of course. Of course.

Lisa: 21:56

So that's really just on your own with no one watching at all.

Florence: 22:00

That's right, that's right. And then, you know, you get involved in the Facebook groups and you see everybody feeling the same thing and experiencing the same thing and enjoying that, that creative nourishment is, creativity is really an act of being able to solve problems in the world, to see things in a new light, to be able to open up the horizon within your body to be creative, give yourself permission to be creative. And when we can be quiet without intellectualizing everything, and just be in our bodies and see what our bodies say. And listen to our body knowledge.'cause the body knows how to heal. We are healing machines, you know, intuitively. So give yourself an opportunity to let your body tell you what it needs. Yeah. On a very deep level. And honestly, the dance floor is a great way of doing that.

Lisa: 22:59

I love that. Yeah, that's so true. That's a great message as well for people.

Florence: 23:04

Yeah, absolutely.

Lisa: 23:06

do you, do you have any examples of a transformation that you've seen taken place in one of your workshops or either on your own? I mean, you've mentioned a few, but.

Florence: 23:20

I think I think that the groove I. Experience in itself. The dance in itself is so unique and personal, and yet it's, it's community based. It's that great paradox that on the one hand, you're having an extremely personal experience with yourself in up there, and you're not, it's not a follow the leader class. You're not doing what anybody else is doing. You're completely unique in your own dance, and at the same time, You feel so connected to people from all over the world, all walks of life, you know and that is a, that's a. know, that's, that's a beautiful paradigm for our, our times. It's a movement, it's a social movement, you know, and social movements are predicated on the principle that the truth rises in society. And here we are in this social movement and the truth is rising in ourselves. Right. We give ourselves the opportunity to, to nurture our bodies and nurture ourselves and become authentic to ourselves. And know that, you know, you're gonna be accepted like you're gonna be accepted in the trap. It's a big trap at this point, Right.

Lisa: 24:42

Right.

Florence: 24:42

Yeah. All walks of life, you know, all ages, all body types. Yeah. And it's, you know, I mean, I, I, I, I'm, I'm conscious of our time together, but I do wanna talk a little bit about love,

Lisa: 24:58

Hmm.

Florence: 24:59

you know, because I think we don't talk about love enough, right? It's kind of like a, it's, it's a, it's a topic that is sort of an integral to what it is to, to gr to dance, you know, to love each other, to dance with somebody, right? And It is, you know, when we love when we can have an availability of love inside our bodies, there is a possibility that we can access inside of ourselves. It's really unmeasurable. It's massive. It's huge. It's like you're hooking up to something universal. and that's, you know, if we go back to like the spiritual aspect of this whole thing, it doesn't matter what religion you're from, right. Or, or if you have a religion even, right? It's just that if you can access a part of yourself that loves yourself, then you can access, you know, that connection with other people. That feeling of belonging to love and be loved. Yeah. There's a lot of hope in the practice. You know,

Lisa: 26:14

Uh, absolutely. Yes.

Florence: 26:16

Practicing hope.

Lisa: 26:19

Just thinking about sort of the community part, the acceptance part. I think Misty has done a lot to foster that. You even see that in the Facebook. Groups and definitely you do see people experiencing maybe for the first time, like a sense of loving themselves, of accepting themselves as they dance.

Florence: 26:39

Mm-hmm.

Lisa: 26:40

I think that's just a beautiful point that you brought up, so thank you for that.

Florence: 26:44

Oh, thank you. Thank you.

Lisa: 26:49

So for somebody who hasn't done it before, do you have any recommendations for somebody who might be curious or wants to try it out?

Florence: 26:58

Yeah, go onto the World Movement website. There's lots of facilitators all over the world. Find, or you can go on on Facebook, I think is where they I, I'm usually on Facebook, so that's where I find everything there. I'm sure there's like Instagram and you know, there's all these things, so just find a class. You know, and be open-minded to it being really simple. Like it's a really, it's the easiest dance class. This is not Zumba, this is not Oh, tango, this is, you know, there's different dance styles, you know, but you're gonna go in and you're gonna succeed Like allow yourself, give yourself permission to know that it's a fun. Fun thing to do, you know? And if you can just make it as simple as you can for yourself, then the deeper stuff will, will come. Or, or, you know you know, you might even lose some weight. I don't know. Like there's, there's just some, there's just something about it that's so simple that if you allow yourself the opportunity to be creative with your community and dance Can have a lot of fun too. You know? Just let yourself have fun,

Lisa: 28:15

That's great. I love that.

Florence: 28:17

right?

Lisa: 28:18

Yes. I think too, you bring up a point I've heard, and a few people that I've interviewed, that that element of success, feeling like you've not accomplished something, but that you're successful at it from the very beginning

Florence: 28:33

Yeah.

Lisa: 28:34

whatever way you do it. It doesn't have to match the instructor like a Zumba instructor because it is, as you said, so personal. You know, you're making it your own. And even if that means you can only move two fingers, when you're dancing, then that's perfect. Like that's where you're at and that's kind of where Groove meets you is exactly where you're at.

Florence: 28:59

And it's a principle of, of being creative. It's a creativity principle and it's a non-judgment. it's full of non-judgment, which as a principle enables an internal landscape to open up and go, oh, I can't get this. I can't get this wrong. I just have to have fun. Just have to enjoy myself exploring and discovering and to see. You know, what that actually means for me in this moment, in this moment

Lisa: 29:28

Mm-hmm.

Florence: 29:29

of of my life, know I personally had the experience of going through a deep grieving process, and the groove brought me through that into where I am today and grieving The, the death of, of my mother I came through to become you'll be really proud of myself as a mother and to, to be part of a tribe where you know, I'm just part of a group. I'm just part, I'm just One of many who have very similar experiences of why, you know, what uniquely why are we there? Everybody's different. Everybody will come with their own stuff, but in the end, we're just dancing together. just, we're just dancing, you know, talk a lot about it, but it's, it's, it just come and come and come to the dance floor, come as you are. Right.

Lisa: 30:24

Right. Right. And I want to also refer, sort of talk a little bit about what you had said about your process of grieving. And definitely grooving can be a process, not only physically, but emotionally, you know, and just give yourself the space to experience whatever it is that you're experiencing at that moment. I've had people tell me that sometimes the groove truths really took a while for them to believe in themselves, like to take it into who they were. is there some resistance to that? You know, as you said, maybe societal pressures or whatever was acting on them.

Florence: 31:03

Of course. Yeah. It's hard to dismantle what we've been doing,

Lisa: 31:07

Mm-hmm.

Florence: 31:08

what we've been believing. We don't even, sometimes we don't even know it was a belief system. It's like, why is this so hard? Nobody's touching me. Why am I looking around the room like, what's going on? Are you looking at me? I'm looking at you. What is, what am I? What is happening? You know, you kind of are surprising yourself. In practicing something that you might not have been practicing, you know, how much space and time would you have if you weren't thinking about what other people are thinking about you

Lisa: 31:36

Right.

Florence: 31:37

how much, how much creative space would you have to not care? That much, you know, and in tune and in the paradox to care so deeply about what your body is actually saying to you and what you actually believe, which might be different than what your partner believes, than what your family believes and what your society believes. But that's okay. That's the journey of being human. No, and you know what? The tension, I think I mentioned this before too, like the tension of our suffering, the tension of the journey of conflict that all human beings go through. It needs a relief, a release. so when you shake up the body, you're literally shaking up a bunch of stuff that you've been holding onto. You don't even know what you're holding onto. Oh, I studied in psychology for five years. It doesn't matter. I get on the dance floor, I'm like, what is going on? This stuff I didn't know. What am I, why am I thinking about that now? What is, what is coming up for me in this moment that I need to listen to you?

Lisa: 32:46

Beautiful. Do you want to touch on any of your work with your, the spiritual leaders in groove?

Florence: 32:55

That was an interesting journey for sure, because Dancing with Spiritual Leaders is an act of, of being at peace. It's the, there's lots of stories where people come with tambourines and they literally stop a war with the dance.

Lisa: 33:10

Wow.

Florence: 33:11

that you dance with people in a very neutral place. So you know all those stories of, you know, there's no war today and everybody comes out and plays soccer, right? There's no war today and everybody gets together and dance that you can be in conflict with somebody, but if you can dance with them, you can be in connection with them. All of you know, it is like all of the other stuff kind of fades away and it's a good practice. That even though we disagree with one another, we can still dance in the dance of life.

Lisa: 33:46

That's very profound.

Florence: 33:48

Right? Isn't it kind of profound? It's so simple, but it's so freaking profound. It's so simple. Oh, so simple. It's so profound and it's so true. That's, you know, it's part of why we do it. So that we can keep connecting with each other and keep finding that belonging in in community. And then it helps us through too.'cause we can let go of some stuff when we're upset. Like, come on, let's dance together, you know? Let's just let everything aside. I mean, wouldn't the world be a different place if the leaders could do that? Like every, like all the leaders of the world, like, okay, we're having a dance party once a month, you know, online let's like, right, let's put Baggo, let's set everything aside. No need for money or oil or anything. You know, no need for war. Let's just dance. a, that's a spiritual act. The dance. Yeah.

Lisa: 34:45

I'm gonna put that in my visioning and I'm going to look forward to that happening.

Florence: 34:50

Yes, exactly. Wouldn't that be great? What if, yeah.

Lisa: 34:54

What if Yes I was taking a class recently and one of the exercise was it's impossible except if, and then you write down all the possibilities of what could happen. And so I think that fits right in there,

Florence: 35:11

Yeah, yeah. No, totally. I'm just, I'm looking through my notes here. There's a quote, there's a beautiful quote Demetris Goli, I can't quite pronounce his name, but there's an article written in the journal in a, in a sports journal, and it talks about in prehistoric times, dance was used because of its discerning ability to provoke a spiritual uplift. So in many fresco is found around the ancient caves. There's often evidence of the use of dance. It's a way of reaching and elevated state of shamanic healing rights.

Lisa: 35:51

Wow.

Florence: 35:52

Yeah, so like it's also, you know, as a, it's also a particular method of healing. You know, there's lots of stuff about. Dance movement therapy and the like. You know, Misty Tripoli would never say, no, no, no. The groove is not a therapeutic form at all. It's a fun time in your body. Let's go, let's do this thing. And I believe that that is true. Right? Having said all that, you know, we are exercising a very ancient dance form, hopefully making it popular again in the world. Get in the world to dance one step at a time.

Lisa: 36:32

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Florence: 36:34

Yeah.

Lisa: 36:36

So as we wrap up, is there anything that you wanted to share more of or talk about or any final parting words or.

Florence: 36:46

I just really appreciate you, Lisa. Thank you so much for what you are doing. For the opportunity to speak about this extraordinary dance form and to encourage people around the world to come and to experience themselves in a new way so that they can allow their bodies to do innately what they need, what, what the body needs to do. The body has extraordinary knowledge, so in tune, what you're doing is you're, you're enabling people to. Think outside the box and to be creative enough to jump out of their own comfort zones perhaps and do something new, but also to trust that movement, dance, and, and healing all go hand in hand for sure. So, thank you

Lisa: 37:38

Well, thank you very much and I hope people listen to this episode a couple times because you just dropped so many wonderful gems and insights that I think it'll take a couple listenings to really get it all. But you so much for sharing your wisdom.

Florence: 37:55

Oh, you're so, you're so welcome. Thank you.

Lisa: 37:57

Do you wanna share any contact information if people are interested in getting in touch with you or doing the Healing Circle? Is there anything I can share with them?

Florence: 38:07

Sure. Florence mcgregor.com.

Lisa: 38:10

Okay.

Florence: 38:11

I'm also on psychology today.com.

Lisa: 38:17

Okay.

Florence: 38:18

and yeah as a, as a psychotherapist join the ju join the tribe man. Like jump on and I'll be there. You can join the circles. They're completely free. It happens once a month, usually at the end of the month, and I always put out a kind of an advertisement in the provider page and in my own group. You're welcome to come and join our our healing, our Private Healing circle group too.

Lisa: 38:44

Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I'll put all that in the show notes, so if anybody wants to refer to it they can see it there. Thanks again, Florence. It was wonderful talking to you.

Florence: 38:55

It's wonderful talking to you, Lisa. Thank you.