Episode 5. Step into the dance-filled memories of my sister and me as we embark on a heartwarming conversation about our childhood dance adventures. From creative dancing to whale sounds in our creative dance classes to Margaret taking study breaks on the disco dance floor with our brother Kevin, her laughter-filled journey has been dotted with dance throughout her life.
Tune in to this special episode of "The Happy Sweat Life" as we share our most cherished dance memories, celebrate the joy of movement, and uncover the magic of World Groove that brought us closer together in a dance of love and happiness. Let's groove to the rhythm of our hearts and embrace the sweat of pure joy!
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Episode 5. Step into the dance-filled memories of my sister and me as we embark on a heartwarming conversation about our childhood dance adventures. From creative dancing to whale sounds in our creative dance classes to Margaret taking study breaks on the disco dance floor with our brother Kevin, her laughter-filled journey has been dotted with dance throughout her life.
Tune in to this special episode of "The Happy Sweat Life" as we share our most cherished dance memories, celebrate the joy of movement, and uncover the magic of World Groove that brought us closer together in a dance of love and happiness. Let's groove to the rhythm of our hearts and embrace the sweat of pure joy!
Contact me at happysweatlife@gmail.com for questions, suggestions, or to be put on the email list and be notified of new episodes.
Find my World Groove movement zoom class on Thursdays, under my name, at: https://theworldgroovemovement.com/virtual-search/
If you're interested in starting a podcast of your own, consider joining the SPI Community. The All Access Pass, in particular, has a step by step course for starting a podcast which absolutely was key for creating and launching my podcast. And equally important, I made connections with other fellow entrepreneurs/podcasters. If you do sign up through my affiliate link, I will receive a commission fee.
Welcome to the Happy Sweat Life podcast. My name is Lisa Rung and I'm so excited today to actually be talking to my sister Margaret. Margaret is a professor and also has a teenage daughter and a husband, so a very busy life. So we're just gonna be talking about her experience with world groove and how that fits into her life. So I think Margaret, I actually first ask you about just growing up and whether you did any kind of dance things or What your experience was with
Margaret:sure, sure. Well, first I just have to say that I grew up in the shadow of a dancer. My older sister, Lisa, who was the actual dancer in the family, and, and that left perhaps left a, a little bit of a scar on me in terms of dancing. No, I'm just kidding.
Lisa:I can see that happening
Margaret:definitely happened, so I don't know why. But our mom decided that we should have dance lessons when we were young. I think we were probably in late elementary school, and so she enrolled us in a modern dance studio. And the, the dance teacher was Jane Shepherd. And Jane. She was a little bit. Different from other people who lived in state college. So she had a very stylish, short, blunt haircut. She, she looked like she was from Greenwich Village and
Lisa:I didn't remember that about her
Margaret:I think so. She, I think she was a New Yorker. And she had this studio in her home where she taught modern dance. But you have to understand that like State College was not like the hub of modern dance. It was more of a square dancing kind of town.
Lisa:Right.
Margaret:And so Jane, Jane was just a little bit out of the element there, and a lot of my friends went to Ms. Ditmar and I could, to this day, I cannot tell you what Ms. Ditmars philosophy was, what kind of dancing they did there. I have no idea, but I just remember feeling like that was the place to go. We were, we were sort of shuffled off to this avant-garde person's house because our mom was more of a hippie and, you know, so instead of getting like Oreos and Pop-Tarts as a snack, you know, Jane would give us some whole wheat bread and, I don't know, hummus or something. And some carrots. So those were my earliest memories of dance, but,
Lisa:I never realized there was that dynamic
Margaret:I don't know.
Lisa:going on For you Margaret.
Margaret:Yeah. So the dancing at Jane's was you know, they were lessons and I remember she used to get really irritated with me because I couldn't do like a flat back. Like my back was never, it was always sort of rounded. I didn't have scoliosis, but I don't know. She just, you know, she was all constantly pushing it down when we were like on the floor doing stuff.
Lisa:Sounds like a bit of trauma happening here.
Margaret:Yeah, I, I just feel like it was totally my thing, you know? I enjoyed it. I enjoyed the camaraderie because I was in, in dance class with two of my friends Cassandra and Barb. And Barb and I still, we still talk about Jane Shepherd and dancing to whale music. And so usually when when I and with scarves Oh yeah, yeah. I, and, so, you know, again, everybody else is dancing to early seventies kind of pop and rock and you know, and we're dancing to whales woo. And Barb and I, when we when we have our, when we do our annual happy birthday, it always includes some whale emojis. Cause so cuz we just, you know, we have that bond.
Lisa:That's hysterical
Margaret:Yeah and then of course the big issue with Jane was like that she had these, these dance recitals. They weren't called that but these kind of showcases that we would do periodically and which we had to perform our own dances. And mine were always like ridiculous looking. And then she would present to us at the end these pipe cleaners that were shaped in the form of dancers,
Lisa:Oh, I forgot about those
Margaret:yeah, they were on little styrofoam. They were stuck onto these styrofoam bases. So they were intended to be like little, you know, sort of figurines you could put up on your shelf, and so you could collect them. Each year you get one. And I just remember, like, I would come up and, and your name was on it and they were all on the table, so you would look at everybody else's, and Lisa's would be this like, pastel colors with these like really beautiful scarves kind of flowing off of her. And then I'd look at mine and it was like, usually it was brown,
Lisa:Oh no.
Margaret:fall colors, a lot of fall colors, brown and orange and just very drab. And I, I guess at that point I just thought like, yes, this is really telling and. Yeah. And, and, and even mom, you know, when she would see my dances and stuff, she would be nice about it, but I could tell she was like, I remember one time, I don't know if it was mom or somebody else telling me, well, it seems like more, a little bit more like gymnastics Margaret,
Lisa:Oh
Margaret:And then of course when my sister, Lisa, you performed at your dance, there was always like a standing ovation at the end. So so there a of whooping and hollering and, and and waving of scarves. A lot of whale noises in the audience. Yeah. Anyway, so I, so I, yeah, that was sort of dancing as a child. And then of course I was involved in a lot of sports. I've always been fairly physically active and toward the end of high school, I started running on my own just as a exercise to get, you know, fit and, and it was mainly to stay in shape for field hockey, which had become my kind of big sport late in high school. But to be honest, like the dancing part of my life didn't really take off until college. And then I went to Oberlin and it was you know, it was again a kind of like be your own person. Very open-minded place, very tolerant. And that was reflected at the sco, which is what we called our disco. It was formally called Dionysus, and it was the place to go at night, especially for me, after a long night of studying. So I would be in the library, mud library until really late. Then you have to walk through Wilder Hall, which was the student union. And the disco was in the basement of Wilder. So it was really easy just to, to pop in and dance. And they, nobody cared one fig what you look like. And of course this was dance music. they were playing not whale songs. Not whales noises, but just as a footnote, the guy apparently who discovered that whales can sing just died.
Lisa:Oh,
Margaret:Yeah, So so Jane was really, yeah, Jane was really on forefront, I think of, of the whale, whale song.
Lisa:Absolutely.
Margaret:anyway, so yeah, so I loved dancing in college and I went to the disco a lot. I spent a lot of my weekends there and it was really fun people watching place cuz again you know, folks would just sort of do their own thing. And my freshman year, of course, our brother Kevin was a senior and he was quite well known on campus for his dancing at the disco And so sometimes I'd go and just watch him cuz he was so hilarious. And yeah, I mean, so I, I'd say in college I just kind of really embraced the idea of dancing for joy and exercise and, and stress release. You know, it was a huge stress release for me. I was very intense about my studies and
Lisa:Yes.
Margaret:so yeah, that's kind of why I fell in love with just the idea of dancing just for fun. Anyway, that's a long-winded answer to your.
Lisa:No, I actually had no idea that you were going to the disco at your college and dancing.
Margaret:Yeah. It was huge.
Lisa:Yeah. Was there sort of a community aspect as, as well? Were you meeting people
Margaret:Yeah. Oftentimes you would run into people. My, my best friend Lori and I used to go all the time. But if I was by myself, sometimes I'd see people there. And yeah, no, it was, it was, there was definitely, you know, groups, pods of people who would go, but it was okay to go alone too.
Lisa:Yeah, that's, that's awesome.
Margaret:yeah. Yeah. No, it was good. It was good. And, you know, different types of music, some house music, some pop, some rock. So good DJs.
Lisa:good DJs and good music.
Margaret:Yeah, for sure.
Lisa:So after college, did you seek out places to dance? Were you dancing on your own
Margaret:That's a good question. I think that after college it was a little less accessible to me.
Lisa:mm-hmm.
Margaret:So because, you know, there'd be cover charges and so I didn't really, I mean, I would go out dancing that that happened with friends. But it was more of a production and it had, you know, it, it was a weekend thing. I certainly wasn't doing it during the week and or, you know, you'd be at a party maybe and there'd be some dancing there. But I would say that yes, it fell off quite a bit, you know, once I left college. And I think, you know, it used to be that, I don't know, maybe back in like the dance hall craze was like the turn of the 20th century, but it used to be, I think that people just went out dancing a lot more than they do now. Like there were a lot of dance halls and that was kind of a thing to do. But I mean, I would say one, one difference maybe now is that back then, like the dance halls and stuff, I think was mostly partner dancing. I don't know that. or you were dancing with people, you know, as just somebody getting up and doing their own thing on the dance floor.
Lisa:I think that that convenience thing, like you were saying, like the, the disco place being, you know, on your way home. I, I remember when I was doing yoga really, really regularly, it's because it was a subway stop on my way home. You know, I just would get off, do the yoga, get back on, and That definitely helped me be more consistent
Margaret:Yeah. It becomes part of your routine and,
Lisa:Yes. yeah, definitely. Definitely. So so not too much dancing between graduating and, and,
Margaret:Not really.
Lisa:yeah, no.
Margaret:You know, and I, I mean, I, I married Andy who as he would tell you, has all the rhythm of a Northern European male.
Lisa:Oh, no.
Margaret:I mean, he likes dance, but you know, not really his thing.
Lisa:You're not gonna be taking ballroom
Margaret:well now we did, we did take ballroom lesson dancing here in, in Evanston, and we did it through the city I think, or maybe it was the senior center. I can't remember, but it was a, it was kind of a reduced, you know, reduced fare thing. It wasn't like a private lessons.
Lisa:okay.
Margaret:and I remember the, in one of the instructors, we had a few different instructors cause we did different classes. But one of'em was this guy Randy, who was pretty well known as being very good. he was, he was very good at explaining how to do the steps and. You know, so we learned a bunch of different like ballroom dances, some Latin dances which I loved, I totally loved, and I would've stayed doing that. But he, he wasn't so much into it I convinced him to do it because supposedly we were gonna dance at our wedding,
Lisa:Yes.
Margaret:that didn't actually happen. So
Lisa:Oh no,
Margaret:it was too hot, but But anyway So after we got married, you know, there was really the excuse to do it sort of evaporated Yeah, but I really enjoyed the ballroom dancing a lot. But again, it's, it's more of a production because you A, you have to have a partner and you know, B, you have to go somewhere and then you have music. I did notice there's a, I tell you one thing, we, when we were in Spain for our honeymoon, we went to see flamenco. I absolutely It. Love, loved it. And then we ended up being there, just coincidentally in this town when they were having an international guitar festival. So we went to several performances and they incorporated flamenco into some of those as well. And I noticed the other day when I was driving down sort of South Evanston, that there's a flamenco studio
Lisa:Oh, no kidding.
Margaret:And I was like, Hmm,
Lisa:Maybe that's in your future there Marg
Margaret:Yeah. Stomp. I stomp.
Lisa:You like to stomp? I think stomping great
Margaret:Yeah, it's good.
Lisa:Well, it's so funny because, you know, you're talking about sort of the focus on me as a dancer growing up, but I, I am hopeless at ballroom dancing and all
Margaret:Oh, you've
Lisa:partnering thing. I have tried it a number of times
Margaret:But we're always doing waltz steps in, in your body
Lisa:Yeah, I'm okay if I'm alone, but
Margaret:Well, let's think that
Lisa:I know I want to be leading. It's not a good thing in ballroom dancing.
Margaret:As it
Lisa:I guess
Margaret:should be.
Lisa:maybe, I don't know, but
Margaret:I think I like the concept of it. I just don't know that I can actually execute
Lisa:The, the ballroom or the flamenco or the
Margaret:Yeah.
Lisa:the ballroom. Yeah. I can see you as a
Margaret:Oh, I can, yeah, I can totally see that. You did, a Spanish or kind of a flamenco song one day recently, in the last few weeks.
Lisa:Yes. Yes. Groove does have some Spanish flamenco
Margaret:was, I, you couldn't hear me, but I was pounding here in my
Lisa:Oh.
Margaret:space.
Lisa:So was I think you, let's see. You came to one of my practice classes. Was that the first time you
Margaret:first time I did the class was Thanksgiving 21.
Lisa:Oh, okay. The in person one.
Margaret:So, yeah, when we came down, I'm pretty sure, yeah, when we came down to visit and you had the whole family there in the studio. And Andy was there
Lisa:Yes.
Margaret:Kevin of course, and Arianna and I and Anne. No, Anne wasn't there.
Lisa:No, Anne wasn't there.
Margaret:But yeah, that was the first time, which I loved. And
Lisa:That was a lot of fun.
Margaret:Yeah, it
Lisa:It was fun to do it with the family.
Margaret:It was a good, I mean, I think that's one thing I would say about Groove is that, you know, there's a community, even though you're not dancing with a partner, There's still, you still feel like you're dancing around and with other people. of course, the fact that it was family made it easier because then you were even less self-conscious or less concerned about, you know, bumping into somebody.
Lisa:Right, right. I think we embrace the goofiness of some of our dancing too, so that's helpful.
Margaret:Elbow Kevin out way.
Lisa:right. Mom missed her chance to have him be the dance star, but
Margaret:Quick feet, that one.
Lisa:yes, he does. So now you've done on Zoom with me.
Margaret:I have now that we, you know, now that we're separated physically I do the zoom, I zoom in, which is nice, you know, and that, that provides a certain, in a way, it's nice because it provides a certain buffer for you. You know, you don't have to. If you don't really have to think about other people. If you want to, you can. If you don't want to, you don't have to because you're in your own space and you know, it's just like the camera's on, but you're doing your thing I like both, you know, being in person and, but I, I definitely don't see the zoom as an issue or a problem or inhibiting in any way.
Lisa:Oh, that's good.
Margaret:And the, you know, the sound is pretty good, so that helps. I think that may be one issue if, you know, if the sound or something and you can't really hear the music,
Lisa:Mm,
Margaret:the
Lisa:that's true. Mm-hmm.
Margaret:might be a problem. Just the technology. But as long as that's working and works for me.
Lisa:So how how do you like groove?
Margaret:I'd like it. It's different. I think that maybe at this stage of my life, which is a little bit older you know, having prescribed steps and moves that you have to memorize or do in sync with other people maybe just a little bit more than I wanna take on. So I like the flexibility of groove that allows you to put your own twist on whatever it is you're doing. And I'd say there's, you know, it's good because you're getting some amount of instruction. It's not just a free for all. And you're instructed a little bit on like the, the types of steps you can do, or, you know, the, the songs are segmented into to moves associated with different, you know, parts of the song associated with different types of moves. But again, even if you decided you didn't wanna do that, like nobody would care. It's not like you're getting graded
Lisa:All right. You know a lot about grading other people.
Margaret:Or you're not getting judged. So yeah, I enjoy that. I guess I would say, you know, that groove is kind of in the parlance of today. It's sort of a safe space. It's a place where you can. Feel free to do what, what feels natural and good for you and not worry about what other people are thinking or doing. And you, you know, unlike Jane, you know, they're not coming by and pushing your back down giving table, table.
Lisa:Table.
Margaret:It's it's a criticism free space.
Lisa:Perhaps I should go back to the dolls, though, perhaps the pipe cleaner dolls or something I should be awarding to my
Margaret:I, you know, Yeah. I would not go there. I, I will say that Jane didn't make those dolls. They were made by this woman named Eddie. Do you remember Eddie?
Lisa:Oh, yes, I remember Eddie
Margaret:always incorporated a somersault into her dance
Lisa:Oh, I forgot about that.
Margaret:She was also an aspiring artist, I think.
Lisa:Yes,
Margaret:and so she, she's the one who make
Lisa:Oh,
Margaret:pipe cleaner figurines.
Lisa:Oh my. Well, coming back to your point about sort of aging and you know how you're. Want to move differently. I've definitely experienced that for myself. You know, I've did the triathlons and that kind of more physical stuff and my body doesn't really want that anymore as much, Well, I think you have to
Margaret:find exercise that's easier on your joints is, is
Lisa:Yes, yes.
Margaret:I think groove allows you to accommodate your, your aches and pains.
Lisa:Right
Margaret:You can decide, you know, how much you wanna jump, you can decide how much you wanna go low or, or you know, you could just stand there for 40 minutes and nobody would really care. And. right, right. yeah, I think it, it's, it's good in that it is able to accommodate people for, you know, in their various bodily needs. Yeah, it's definitely adaptable. Adaptable.
Lisa:And I know you were kind of dealing with a foot injury for a while, so how was that trying to groove with that
Margaret:Well, I still have it. But yeah, I think that I, I am just very careful about not pounding on it too much when I'm dancing. I took some time off to see if I could just get it to heal, but it's still, it's just the chronic kind of long-term injury. It, it definitely groove hasn't made it worse.
Lisa:Oh, that's good.
Margaret:yeah. But it's also, I was just reading about it. The, actually the injury for some reason it popped up in the New York Times. I feel like your phone listens to you and so if you.
Lisa:Definitely
Margaret:Say something, it's suddenly you see a, an article about it. And, and it said that in this particular injury, it's actually good to stretch it a lot and like, like not doing anything and being immobile is, is not good for it because it tightens up. So I think, you know, as long as I'm careful, as I said, not to do too much so. Put too much pressure on it. The, groove has been fine. Yeah.
Lisa:Good. Do you find any other benefits other than sort of the physical parts of it?
Margaret:Yeah, I mean, I think that first of all, you know, it's nice to dance to music. I think that's really fun. And so it's, it's just a fun way to exercise. And then this, I would also say it's pretty meditative. I definitely like the end, you know, where you get to just sort of lie and, and breathe that feels very relaxing in a good way to, to finish the, the session. So yeah, I think those are, you know, it's both, both working up a sweat and getting your. Releasing your endorphins or what have you. And then also, I said, kind of relaxing a bit.
Lisa:Yeah. For those that don't know, there's a, a stillness section in the, at the end where you just, yeah. Get to just lay still. That's really nice.
Margaret:Meditate a bit. Yeah. Yeah.
Lisa:So any challenges that you have with with doing the groove other, not physical, but are there any emotional
Margaret:I don't so. I mean, I think that, as I said, I mean one issue might be just the degree to which you are, I. Self-conscious and how do people feel about either being in a room with others or being online. But I, as I said, I find that online, like I don't really watch other people. I don't interact much with folks.
Lisa:Mm-hmm.
Margaret:but that's, and that's okay. Like I don't, I don't feel like I need to. And kind of, kind of helps me. I just. I just prefer to be in my own, kind of my doing my own thing. And in my own space, I, I, I don't know if you remember, but the way that my space is laid out, I can't really get the camera to see the whole room. So there are times when I'm dancing off side and off
Lisa:Mm-hmm.
Margaret:So sometimes I'm not even visible at all. or you'll see like hand come in. Right. So, yeah.
Lisa:And as a facilitator I'm also dancing. So oftentimes I'm not aware, you know, if somebody's not doing the right move or whatever it is, even though that's not part of it. But yeah.
Margaret:Well, you seem like you're, you're aware of, I mean, you're interacting with the group and you're aware of so I don't feel disconnected at all.
Lisa:Oh, that's
Margaret:Yeah, it's not bad. It's just. Maybe like I feel that the, in you as the instructor are helping me, or you know, you're guiding me along, but I don't feel like I need to interact with the other people who are on the screen. Yeah.
Lisa:Yeah, I mean, that is the sort of the training of facilitation that they teach you is to, is to be observant and try to lend words that will encourage people but not, you know not be, yeah, not be negative about anything anybody is doing, but.
Margaret:Right. Not, not some way inhibit them.
Lisa:Right, right. Yeah. Actually to encourage them to more fully embrace either the style or the steps is kind of what we're, yeah, Taught to do.
Margaret:yeah. I have to say, I mean, I, what I really like about the way you teach is that you're, you have really great song lists and, and they change. So I, I never feel like it's, oh, we're doing this again. Not that I would mind, you know, doing things over and over, but. I think you have a really good ear for how the songs and the dances fit together. And so
Lisa:Oh, thank you.
Margaret:like a relatively seamless, you know, usually a seamless session and yeah, I like that. And, and each week it's a little something a little different. As you know, I,
Lisa:Yeah.
Margaret:I, as you know, I definitely enjoy the punching.
Lisa:The punching. I like that too.
Margaret:You know, I enjoy the punching and now you know that I like the flamenco too.
Lisa:Oh, okay. Good to know. Good to know. Yes. I think one one thing I really actually enjoy is listening to the various song options and putting together a playlist
Margaret:Yeah.
Lisa:you know, learning new, new ones I can present to the group.
Margaret:Yeah, I think that I think that really plays into your strengths in terms of your creativity because it, it does allow you to bring your own personality and your own, you know, sort of and imagination to the, the session.
Lisa:Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Oh my goodness. Well, any, if somebody was interested in trying Groove, do you have any advice for them?
Margaret:Oh, I think it's a, it's the kind of dance you can just jump right into. I don't think you need any background or any preparation for it. I think you should just sign on and start doing it.
Lisa:I like it. just take action.
Margaret:action. I mean, because you'll get, you'll get a little bit of instruction about, you know, the philosophy of the, of world groove and the, a little bit of instruction about what kinds of dance steps you might be doing could do, but it doesn't really require a lot of study or preparation or just, just a, a love of movement and, you know, Music.
Lisa:Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean, groove is all about just presenting like a couple steps. Nothing, you know, nothing too complicated in terms of a choreographed routine or anything.
Track 1:Exactly.
Lisa:I had some other thought there that I've lost, but You can, oh, the,
Margaret:get a good workout if you want it.
Lisa:mm-hmm.
Margaret:want that's okay too.
Lisa:Right, right. Yeah. That's another thing about Groove is yeah, you can adapt it to whatever level you wanna do. If you wanna put a lot of energy into it, great. If you don't, that's fine too.
Margaret:Yeah.
Lisa:I was just gonna, I think the other thing I was thinking about is I, I've often thought about maybe doing a session where nobody is on screen, like it's just a blank, you know, you just block off. But I would say that, you know, that is definitely always an option. Like if you're feeling self-conscious and you're, you're. Doing a Zoom class, you, you can turn the camera off. Like there's no requirement to really have it on. I mean, it does help from a facilitator point to see what people are doing, so you can kind of adjust your directions, but it doesn't really matter.
Margaret:Yeah. I mean, I, I think that is a great option. I'm not that self-conscious, but I think for people who are, yeah, that is an,
Lisa:Mm-hmm.
Margaret:definitely a benefit.
Lisa:Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I like that. Well, anything else you'd wanna add about Groove or your experience with it?
Margaret:No, I don't think so. I think we, we kind of covered the, the gamut. I, I think it's, as I said, I think it's a good, it's a good way to exercise, get a little workout. And it doesn't require a lot of mental. Heavy lifting. That's another aspect of it that I like sometimes with running, I enjoy, I, I don't necessarily leave my day behind. I'm kind of thinking about what I have to do, you know? Or I'm, I'm hashing over something that happened that day or the other day. But when you're dancing, that's, you don't really have room in your head for. Thinking about other things, you're just kind of thinking about your moves and the music and so I like that part of it. It's a mental break as well as a physical workout.
Lisa:That's so true. I'm glad you brought that up. That's a good part of, yeah. Doing groove.
Margaret:Yeah.
Lisa:Well, thank you Margaret, so much for sharing your story and your experience Groove.
Margaret:head out to my therapy session so I can talk about my. Childhood
Lisa:childhood. I know
Margaret:Jane's Dance Studio.
Lisa:definitely. I'm so
Margaret:It's okay. You know
Lisa:I didn't know I was very self-involved. to say in my own experience,
Margaret:You're exalting in your own. Yeah. Being one the chosen people. Oh, you're Lisa's sister. I have a name. I am the brown orange pipe cleaner.
lisa_6_06-16-2023_140425:I wish I was exalting, but unfortunately I wasn't a missed opportunity. Oh, well,
Margaret:You didn't, know. Oh,
Lisa:Oh, well thanks again, mark. I really appreciate it. And also just for your support of me as a facilitator has meant a lot to me. I really appreciate it.
Margaret:my pleasure. All right, bye.